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Mariano Rivera could be greatest relief pitcher to date, Dr. Michael Hoban, 12/26/07

From Dr. Michael Hoban's 2007 book, "Baseball's Best: The True Hall of Famers" is,

"There are some pitchers for one reason or another will not have pitched enough innings to qualify for 300 win shares or 235 NEWS but who seem to have had very impressive careers."...
  • The first covers those with "fewer than 2400 innings and with a NEWS score of 180 or better," such as Addie Joss, Sandy Koufax, Hoyt Wilhelm, and Dizzy Dean.
The second covers those with fewer than 1700 innings and with a NEWS score of 150 or better.
  • "The 150/1700 Standard-The True Relievers"
"Now, what about the true relief pitchers, that is, those who had very few (or no) starts and spent the bulk of their careers in relief? Is there any way that we can arrive at a fair standard for HOF induction for these pitchers based strictly on the numbers? Of course, we need a tough standard that only the truly outstanding relievers will meet.

Most relief pitchers will come nowhere near the 2400 innings that we just used in the previous category. After having examined the numbers, I would suggest that if a relief pitcher with less than 1700 innings pitched has attained a NEWS score of 150, then he should be seriously considered for the Hall of Fame. (Keep in mind that

  • all players have to have played ten seasons in the major leagues).
Let's take a look at some relief pitchers to see how this would work. Rollie Fingers and Bruce Sutter are two relief pitchers who are in the Hall of Fame. Here are their numbers...
Player IP CWS CV NEWS
Bruce Sutter 1042 168 163 164
Rollie Fingers 1701 188 144 155

In pitching 1701 innings, Fingers was actually one inning over the cut-off. But I prefer not to nit-pick this one and include him in this group. It appears likely (because of how relievers are used now) that no other relief pitcher will ever reach the 1700-innings mark again.

For comparison purposes, here are a few other well-known relief pitchers and their NEWS scores.

Player IP CWS CV NEWS
Mariano Rivera 953 190 170 175
Lee Smith 1289 198 152 164
Bruce Sutter 1042 168 163 164
Dan Quisenberry 1043 157 155 156
Rollie Fingers 1701 188 144 155
Billy Wagner 771 152 143 145
John Franco 1246 183 128 142
Trevor Hoffman 942 167 133 142

Mariano Rivera, Dan Quisenberry and Lee Smith all have a NEWS score above 150. And they are the only relief pitchers that I have found (other than those in the Hall) who have done this. Trevor Hoffman and Billy Wagner were still active in 2007 and may yet reach the 150 NEWS benchmark. As you can see, at this point in his career, Mo Rivera is way ahead of the HOF standard and could emerge as the greatest relief pitcher to date.

Summary

Using the NEWS HOF Gauge, I am suggesting that there are four ways that a pitcher can establish HOF numbers:

1. A NEWS score of 235.

2. 300 career win shares

3. A NEWS score of 180 with less than 2400 innings pitched.

4. A NEWS score of 150 with less than 1700 innings pitched."...

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12/26/07, from Dr. Hoban, "A Short Career, the Pitchers," Seamheads.com

The NEWS HOF Gauge recognizes two small groups of pitchers as having HOF numbers even though they did not reach the NEWS criterion of 235 for a starting pitcher.

Source: Seamheads.com (http://s.tt/12yLZ)"As you can see, at this point in his career, Mo Rivera is way ahead of the HOF standard and could emerge as the greatest relief pitcher to date."Dr. Hoban's new book, "Baseball's Best, The True Hall of Famers," covers relief pitchers in Chapter 11. It incorporates his "NEWS" analysis tool which among other stats recognizes Win Shares: "The 150/1700 standard – The true relievers

Player IP NEWS
Mariano Rivera 953 175
Lee Smith 1289 164
Bruce Sutter 1042 164
Dan Quisenberry 1043 156
Rollie Fingers 1701 155

Rollie Fingers just makes it since he actually pitched in 1701 innings. Only Bruce Sutter and Fingers are in the Hall of Fame.

You will note that Trevor Hoffman (the “saves” leader) is not on this list. His NEWS score is 142."...

From Seamheads.com blog, 12/26/07" (I was directed to this work by another blog, Sean Lahman's Seamhead.com on which he has a chart of Dr. Hoban's work. Seamhead.com posts Dr. Hoban's results. ed.)

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